*In the voice of scooby doo* ERRRUURRRHHH
I couldn't believe it. He was basically condoning ole boy's cussing me out. I was offended. Point blank, I thought it was a bit punkish.
This led to me creating a twit
*pause*
WOW...what kinda men are we breeding now. What kinda man would say he would just walk on by or keep walking if he saw a man kicking the living shyt out of a woman. (He also asked would I help a man if a woman was beating him..I know ..STUPID SHYT..FUCKTARD men and women are not = physically.....bet you same dude imposes wack double standards on women..but I digress with his azz there)
The same kind that breeds men who would watch a girl getting gang raped.
The same kind that breeds men that would stand by and watch another boy get jumped and beat to death.
The same kind that breeds men that would run a train on a vulnerable attention starved girl.
Have we become so much of a separatist society that we would truly stand by and watch people getting violated and assaulted and not do nothing? Not even call the police? NOTHING?
Are our men just becoming scarier and scarier, and if so, what are the reasons?
1. Lack of a strong male figure in the household? Women cannot raise men, sure they can do their best, but only a MAN can teach a boy how to be a MAN. I am starting to see the effects of not having a real man in a boys life. The effects BITCH AZZ MEN who run scared like women when in a hostile situation.
2. Could it be that men are moving away from the blue collar and more towards
3. Perhaps our men are just too damn prissy. Getting pedicures and manicures. Used to be only little Richard wannabees would be all up in the nail and hair salon. Now you got grown as men getting their eyebrows tweezed. Perhaps they don't want to end up in a scuffle because they don't want to break a nail or mess up their pretty face.
I remember reading OneChelle's Blog, Black n' Bougie, and how she talked about needing a man for protection, well OneChelle, lemme tell ya, the way its looking, we are better off protecting ourselves. Cuz men nowadays are just as bitch made as the next one.
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Getting a bit feminist in your old age are you?
When you have a moment try googling "man killed defending woman" and see how many news stories pop up about men being killed defending some random chick who was fighting with her boyfriend or husband. Better yet, check out how many went to jail for involving themselves in someone else's business and then the chick presses charges against Capt Save'em. lol
If we've got the same last name (ex: wife, child, mother, etc) I will die and go to hell for you, but if not, the most I'm doing is calling the cops for you but otherwise you're on your own.
I don't think you should FIGHT for everyone..but at least call the cops or yell out loud or something..Its just stupid to stand around and let someone die if you can try to intervene
most ppl wont even call the cops..WTF
and if more than one person is standing around watching ONE man beat ONE woman...where they do that at..scary ass negros
Nothing dishonarable about dying or getting hurt defending someone..but it is if you stand by and watch them nearly die..FTW ...
Again..our society is becoming more and more separatist...and I HATE IT..but its all good..I can and will adapt
While I agree with your post for the most part, I do have my own observations to add. While the guy in the bar was dead azzed wrong for coming at you like he did and your “friend” was just as wrong for not stepping up when things got off track. (don’t know what his problem is…)
I regularly tell my wife, as long as a guy doesn’t get disrespectful with you, or harass you too much, I’ll stay in my lane. The minute that changes though…
Now as far as getting involved with a domestic dispute, that’s a hard call. I have seen one 1st hand (way back in my college days). I got involved and tried to break it up, the chick swung and kicked at me. My friends pulled me back and the two went back at each other. I later found out that a leading cause of injury to law enforcement officers is when they respond to domestic disputes. Both parties kind of team up against the officer to protect one another. That’s a post in itself, but not to say you aren’t right in that, just that there can be more too it. So, now, I can understand the hesitation with getting involved in domestic disputes…the other items you mentioned, I’m with you.
As I said before, I dont expect men to get physically involved, but at least dial 911, holler out or something ANYTHING other than watch a grown man beat a woman like she stole something ...
Men have more strength than women that is a fact..
Usually its more than one or 2 men standing around watching ...if its 5 of yall and only one of him..I dont see why yall can't physically pull him off her instead of standing around watching sayin "Its not my business" then hanging and shaking your head when someone gets seriously hurt
even tho I dont give a fuck..I do to an extent..
You keep stressing ONE man and ONE woman, all it takes is for that ONE man to have ONE gun and dude with the "S" on his chest swooping in for the rescue may catch a hot ONE.
Yes the world is becoming more separatist and I don't mind it all. I think if more folks took responsibility for themselves and what belongs to them, the world would be a better place. In other words, your problems should be just that....yours
thanks for posting Anonymous..you are right..
Separatist society it is...you dont mind it now..I hope you dont mind it when someone comes at you or attacks you and there are people standing around not helping you..I hope that you are okay with this separatist society when "god forbid" something happens to you and ppl refuse to help saying "not my problem"
Take care and thanks for reading ...
Your right, God forbid... but lets say for argument's sake, I was attacked, and someone did step in and they died.. that's an honorable death? is that what you tell their kids? I'm sorry but I have my own family who relys on me to stick my neck out for a stranger. Like I said before I'll call 911, but that's about it.
Again...god forbid, your child/mom/wife/husband was out there getting attacked and there were ppl standing around and NO ONE HELPED and something really horrible happened to YOUR FOLKS.
Wouldn't want anyone to risk themselves to help your folks...because CLEARLY you can be there 24/7 and do it all by yourself all the time *sarcasm*
Im just saying...
Would I be angry if someone attacked my family, of course, that goes without saying. But the question here is would it be logical that someone jump in and risk themselves as well? hmmmmm...
Let's conduct an experiment, and we'll use that unfortunate case of the 15yr old girl who was gang raped as an example. (you have two sons right?) well one of your sons (aged of course, lets say he's 25) sees this happening, there are 8-10 people participating in this rape, so based on your use of sarcasm above he's supposed to jump in and save her right? (FYI, I'm using your logic here, so anything less than you agreeing with this scenario makes you a hypocrite)
U know you losing the argument anonymous cause ur getting personal w it
I thought about not entertaining your argument cause u are asking me a dumb question. You think you can get me to concede by directly bringing up my kids in this situation.
Well YOU ARE WRONG. Whatever views I have I would introduce to my children.
I would FULLY hope my sons would assist the young girl getting gang raped. Of course there are risks for them, but there are even greater risks for the young girl if they did NOTHING. I would NEVER be angry or upset that they "got hurt" helping someone they didn't know. I would be PROUD. I wouldn't wish they never did anything. Of course there are foolish situations to assist in..but a gang rape of a 15 year old girl is NOT A FOOLISH SITUATION TO STEP INTO IMO.
Think about service men. If everyone had ur mindset, there wouldn't be volunteer firefighters, police, security, red cross, soldiers. There would be no one to defend our country and protect it. Protecting is just as human nature as breathing.
Again, u never know when u need a strangers help one day. NEVER. I think about things that happen to my family and friends. Saving their life could have been as simple as someone stopping to help. (true muthafucking story)
you have every right not to help strangers..thats your business...but don't sit here and try to convince me to do the same.
Thanks again for reading and commmenting
Getting back to the seat at the club, why was he "hating" because he asked you to scoot down? Was this in a V.I.P. area and he was essentially paying for seats? Did he need to make rooms for guests?
I can't imagine you sitting in a chair in my vicinity and then me subsequently asking your fine ass to scoot over without a good reason. I'm assuming that the other guy had a penis and at least one working eye, too.
Also, fighting for random women went out with equal pay. Chivalry is dead, in large part, because women killed it. Some of it was for the best...
Two things, 1. it wasn't my intent to offend you by mentioning your sons, but to simply to give the scenario more heft. If you have a personal stake in an argument you tend to give a more honest answer. (debating 101)
2. I never said helping the girl would be foolish, but the method of doing so. By jumping in and taking on up to 10 people by yourself solves nothing in fact the "protector" gets hurt and the rape continues. That is why in each of my responses I always stated I would call the police.
Lets not get it twisted, I respect all of those branches you mentioned (volunteer police, firefighters etc) but the thing that ties each of those men and women together is they made a choice in life to be protectors.
My problem comes from others EXPECTING everyone else to risk thier necks and disregard their own livelihood to step into a situation they may have created for themselves. In your post you admit you egged dude on with the arguing the name calling etc, knowing good and damn well he could hurt you if he chose, was that wise? I guess that's for you to decide, but you probably felt comfortable at first thinking your boy would step in if need be. That put him in a situation you created. Thus my issue...
With that said I really hope you know I meant no disrespect mentioning you sons. I enjoy your blog (and playing devil's advocate at times) thanks for sharing.
First and foremost the platonic friend that u were with Is for lack of better word a fuckin bitch.... By no means under any circumstances shld a man let another man violate a woman specially a woman he holds dear to him... Secondly dude that cussed u out is obviously dealing with sum enternal issuses for a man to take some thing so simple to that level with a feamle is is obviously nursing sum self esteem and insecurity issuses... Rather than fuel ignorance u shld have do from the start what u did at the end which is remain a lady and let him play his self out .... Eventually he wlda realized it wasn't that deep... Yhe problem begins bcuz know one is showin these dudes how to b men so the learn from wat they see on tv and sadly wat we c most is male dominated situations where are allowed to parade around like baffoons and get praise for it... It takes a strong person to realize that wats goin on on tv isn't the average persons reality and be able to seperate real from fantasy..... Sorry to say but we are a lost generation no fathers grand fathers etc our only role models r rappers actors and drug dealers. ....... To all the men reading this post take care of ur daughters and father ya sons. THE. Incomparable CMR
First off, thanks for the link love. Secondly, let me share an opinion... Fellas: it's REAL borderline punky to see a woman getting disrespected, harmed, injured and not do something.
Yes, we understand that you don't want to step into a gunfight with just a knife. No one is asking you to do all that. If the situation is not physical (like True's) please develop some testicular fortitude about yourself and say, "Can't we all get along?" That's all we ask.
If the situation has turned physical and that's not your bailiwick, how about a 911 shout out. How about you run for help? How about you man up and act like women are worth fighting for?
This is probably one reason why I tend to date athletes, law enforcement, and the like. I need a man who's not afraid to dirty his Armani suit. No, I'm not going to put him in a situation to defend me time and time again but should the event occur, I want to know he'll do what needs doing.
By the argument Anon came with, I'm drawing the following analogy: A woman jumps overboard, you see her drowning. You are afraid of sharks so you don't go in. Fine, but can you toss the life line or a raft or at least holla at the captain? Are you saying she deserves to drown because she jumped in? Le Sigh.
@Dandini me and ole boy got into it before over some pettyness..usually when he is drunk. Plus he was checking for me for a hot second (becuz he forgot I cussed him out before) but I was igging him. He asked me to move over so he can have a seat for 2 other ladies. I politely said I would rather not move over and directed him to the empty chair to take. He proceeded to call me all types of fake bishes cause I wanted to sit next to his man (at first I was not tryin to sit next to his man..changed my mind)..and just started going on me. I went back on him. My boy said nothing during the time, not even to me...the next day said "U wouldn't have gotten cussed out if you had just moved down in the first place"
*shrugs*..thats my version. He can come and give his version if he wants. I think he feels I was being unreasonable by refusing to move down and that was doing the most. I said I dont have to move down....and because I didn't want to move I didnt deserve to be cussed out
@ OneChele, in the case of your analogy I would first wonder why she jumped her non-swiming ass in the ocean, then call the captain. But please keep in mind, we're talking about some random woman here... but lets say this was my girl/wife/mother/daughter/etc, I'm jumping in the water and I'm not coming back without her...or in True's situation, me and dude are having words, but that is me looking out for mine (operative word). I just can't see myself risking life and limb for Jane Doe.
@Anonymous..
Thanks for apologizing about mentioning my sons. Understand about me that if I argue something, making it personal will not hypocrite me into a different response.
Please understand, that I didn't "expect" my boy to do anything, but would have looked at him in a better light if he at least tried to say something. He chose not to. Its whatever. I didn't egg him on in any way other than refusing to move (at first, eventually i did move to shut him up, he kept arguing and name calling, afterwards I did the same). Regardless..my refusing to move from MY SEAT didnt deserve the "cussing out" I got from dude, really, OVER A SEAT.
Further, I'm not a scary broad (like some of these dudes) I wasn't going to move MY SEAT out of FEAR of what he may do to me. Further, I'm not going to NOT verbally or physically defend myself out of FEAR of what he may do to me. I do not live in fear. I guess I can attribute that to seeing alot and surviving a lot..FTW. If you are really suggesting I should have cowarded and did what he wanted out of fear of what he could have done to me and you are male..WHOA NELLY, then this post is specifically for you. *no offense but yeah..it may be offensive*
Again, thanks for reading and please continue to read. we can leave this at respectfully agreeing to disagree
clearly ANONYMOUS has no regard for people not close to him. He'd let a man on fire run down the street and not pour water on him from his evian bottle. he is a true separatist..thats him..I personally think thats a shame to be that way....but hey...thats him.
I appreciate all my readers and welcome different points of view. I dont blog to get everyone to agree with me..This is one of my fav discussions.
Thanks
True
I was never suggesting you should do anything out of fear, I was simply questioning what you hoped to accomplish standing toe to toe with dude cussing him out in return when you yourself said "men and women are not = physically" so the assumption was since you obviously know that, you must have thought dude was going to step in, because there is a huge difference between acting out of fear, and acting out of common sense.
Now, I originally commented based on your statement that men nowadays are weak (paraphrasing here) because they will not step into a fight between a man and woman. Recently in Chicago (last summer) a man did just that, he saw a man and woman fighting, jumped in with his cape flapping in the wind, and was shot 3 times in the chest by dude, and the kicker....... the woman is testifying on her abusive boyfriend's behalf. Hey, but at least he's a hero right?
I was raised to not walk in fear, and to protect what's mine... so no, your post wasn't offensive to me, nor is your opinion. I just think it's foolish to assume that someone should risk there neck for you just because.
*lets anonymous have the last word*
Respectfully agree to disagree.
This has been one of the best dialogues I have read in awhile. Kudos’s to True Anon and the others with thoughtful posts. Some long time friends and I regularly meet and often discuss world, local, personal or even random events. I will give this a mental bookmark to bring up at our next get-together.
Can’t wait to see what else True post to the blog
Thanks for the big ups Three..Already working on tomorrow's post...HAH
*much love*
True
I have to comment here. I think about this often. For one, I believe that it IS my responsibility to help those I can help. I am a Christian and it says in the Bible that it is sin, not to help those whom I can help, when they need it (for those who care: Pro 24:11 Rescue those being led away to death; hold back those staggering toward slaughter. 24:12 If you say, "But we knew nothing about this," does not he who weighs the heart perceive it? Does not he who guards your life know it? Will he not repay each person according to what he has done? )
So anyway, I think about different situations and how I might be able to help. Maybe I flash a bright light on them, like the police. Or maybe I ask them what they are doing to my Sister..because she was made in God's image as well. But I believe Evil flourishes because TOO many of us are afraid to get involved in the lives of those around us. We've become so separated that the drug dealers and gangs of the worlds rule. It has always been this way..As the saying goes: ‘All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing’
I for one would have to step in..because I would want the next person to have the decency to do SOMETHING, if my wife or daughters were being hurt.
I try to live by the motto: Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.
And another thing: I am not afraid to die...So I guess that helps me when I think about these things.
Now I also think about how I might handle these situations if my family were with me...I have to be smart about it as well. So I pray 1st to see what I should do. I guess I try to run these scenarios in my head and practice them, so that they become 2nd nature.
Anyway..that's my two cents.
True, I had this drunk harrass me and call me a bitch all out in the street because I told him to please step away from me. I had to curse his ass out and threaten to call the police and not ONE man, not one came by and asked the drunk to leave me alone. NOT ONE! As women, we have to fend for ourselves and handle our own business. We can't depend on a man for nothing! Only hands I count on are mine aside from the men in my family. Thats it! i'm not surprised your friend didnt step in, thats the type of men we are breeding these days. Punk bitches! I wouldn't even hang with the dude anymore.
@eaglebird..dont know why you deleted ur comment..it was the best of all..I should repost it cause I have it in my email..but you wanted it deleted..I'll respect that
@D from Bmore..*claps hands* thanks for repping the REAL MEN..I love ur post...tho Im not very religious..I love that verse you posted here...and yes..God forbid your fam is getting hurt and ppl aint doin shyt...thats the point I was making to ANON...FTW
@DcDeb..thats exactly why I made this post...BITCH ASS NESS is a disease..sad that you had to deal w that drunk mofo on ur own w spectators..I HATE IT.
Thanks for posting yall..Loved this debate
@eaglebird..dont know why you deleted ur comment..it was the best of all..I should repost it cause I have it in my email..but you wanted it deleted..I'll respect that
@D from Bmore..*claps hands* thanks for repping the REAL MEN..I love ur post...tho Im not very religious..I love that verse you posted here...and yes..God forbid your fam is getting hurt and ppl aint doin shyt...thats the point I was making to ANON...FTW
@DcDeb..thats exactly why I made this post...BITCH ASS NESS is a disease..sad that you had to deal w that drunk mofo on ur own w spectators..I HATE IT.
Thanks for posting yall..Loved this debate
'Cause when I went back over my comment it seemed liked I was making fun of the situtation and this topic could hit home to everybody including men who really love there mother,sisters,niece etc.,It's a lot of crazy mofo's running 'round these parts shit could've really gotten outta hand 'cause now days dudes love putting hands on females and no matter how you look at shit aint cool,thats why I deleted the comment thats all,glad you alright tho' and still keeping it G'ed up lol.
I remember hearing about a man getting into on the Subway with some yung man, because he was disrepecting some lady. In a nutshell, the grown man failed to realize the young mans group of friends scattered all over the Train . He stepped in and said thats enough, the boy bust the mans face wide open, and all the friends, jumped him. Nobody on the train did anything, nobody called 911, nobody helped the man once they all ran off the train, pulled an alarm, nothing. I think that people just don't care. I think that we are letting these rude little heathen run stuff. Letting men get away with too much, and your right the number one reason is because the Man who helped bring him into this world, has no significant roll in raising him into a man at all.
These young men have no respect for a female, and I think there are plenty of reasons why.
One if they have seen their mother be disrepected by men, they probably deep in their mind think its okay.
Two they already have the music tell them its okay to treat women like hoes, and don't connect a face/soul/mind with these so call "Hoes and Bitches".
Three Daddy isn't around to show them how to effectively treat a woman right...
Thats just my opinion as far as what I see in my own area. I know this doesn't apply to every black male, but I see it alot.
Didn't read all the comments, but my 2 cents is if you call a woman I'm with or know a bitch in my presence, you might as well be calling me a bitch, and I would deal with the situation as such. As little as I know you, had that been me, Me and ol boy woulda been having the conversation, not you and ol boy.
Aww @Brandon...that would have been very manly of you to do..(woulda appreciated it)
@chellbellz...yup..the reasons you listed are pretty much close to the reasons I listed as to why ppl especially MEN dont care nowadays. They are being raised by lil wayne and what not ..its just silly nonsense. Some of the old school ways need to remain, men being protectors is one of them.
And men wonder why we act like we dont need them anymore...FTW...
Aww @Brandon...that would have been very manly of you to do..(woulda appreciated it)
@chellbellz...yup..the reasons you listed are pretty much close to the reasons I listed as to why ppl especially MEN dont care nowadays. They are being raised by lil wayne and what not ..its just silly nonsense. Some of the old school ways need to remain, men being protectors is one of them.
And men wonder why we act like we dont need them anymore...FTW...
I told my gf very simply: a man lays a hand, I intervene. Anything else you should be mature enough to handle yourself.
Callin her out of her name...people been talkin slick to each other doesn't mean I have to get froggy. Ignore it or let the proper individuals know and they will handle it.
Respond or react.
*sigh* Thanks for ur comment Stank :)
I haven't read all the comments but I went through the same thing Saturday night. After I told the rude dude where he could go and how to get there I told the dude I was with he was a bitch. I wasn't expecting him to fight but say something damn. Don't sit there like a punk. I put him out my car at the bar and said get home the best way you know. If I gotta protect my self from another man what i need you for. I'm still pissed off and I would whip any man in my family's ass that did not stand up for a woman he was with.
Girl please, @POW I am sooo used to doing everything myself. Dug out my own car during this snow storm and everything..We might as well get used to it lol
"I called him a ugly screw face bastard. It got really ugly, I mean him threatening me with violence and what not. Eventually, the lady in me came back out and I pretty much let him go on and on arguing about what he was going to do me with himself."
This quote right here is something. You see had I been your male friend I too would have done nothing and then explained to you why.
You see you were acting like a dude and you were being real tough, but when reality and fear set in, you began to victimize yourself as the weaker sex. Why is that?
You're dealing with a crazy guy, who was probably drunk, and you're screwing with him, based on the fact that you had this false sense of hope that he wouldn't attack you. As a guy, we notice that immediately. And guys all know the rule: you don't f*** w/ crazy, that's not new. The best thing your boy could have done was taken you out the building and told you, you were real close to getting a beat down.
That has less to do with all the stuff you said, and the fact that guys just can't fight like that anymore. You either get shot, stabbed or end up in jail. Over what; some girl who couldn't walk away like we're forced to do when girls are smacking us upside the head?
C'mon now! I"m glad you didn't get hit, but a lot of guys would have busted you in the face during that kind of situation. But, like most girls, I think you're willing to test how far you can go with a guy without getting hit. Glad you didn't go too far.
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